Gun laws in USA??

[pietillidie]

[think positive]

[Skids]

[Pies4shaw]

[Skids]

[Pies4shaw]

And yet there are virtually no mass shootings and even when a would-be terrorist wants to go crazy in Bourke St, he tries to do so with a knife.

[David]

All I have to say is, thank god this isn't a topic of mainstream policy debate in Australia. We are truly blessed in the VPT to have, er, such a diversity of views on this topic.

[think positive]

[Jezza]

Comparing Australia to the US when it comes to guns is like comparing apples and oranges.

[stui magpie]

Comparing Australia to the US when it comes to guns is like comparing apples and oranges.

Agreed. They can legally buy all sorts of stuff there that we can't and never could.

Yeah there's potentially a lot of illegal guns still in Austalia, but estimates on how many are more like guesses than estimates. A lot have been handed in ( I did) and a lot weren't and some of these have been systematically stolen.

All things considered, I prefer our current gun laws and situation the the US. They're too far down the rabbithole.

[Wokko]

The USA is a much more dangerous place, if you take away people's means of self defence you're effectively murdering them. When seconds count, police are minutes away and their job isn't to protect you but to catch the guy who robbed and killed you and raped your wife.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018 ... e=facebook

I used to reluctantly accept our gun laws because you never heard of a car jacking or home invasion or random street attacks with weapons but those are all becoming far too commonplace.

[pietillidie]

^The tactic of triggering local fear to override disciplined decision making becomes increasingly effective as the problem worsens. It takes real men and women of godly courage and purpose to ski down that hill.

[stui magpie]

The USA is a much more dangerous place, if you take away people's means of self defence you're effectively murdering them. When seconds count, police are minutes away and their job isn't to protect you but to catch the guy who robbed and killed you and raped your wife.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018 ... e=facebook

I used to reluctantly accept our gun laws because you never heard of a car jacking or home invasion or random street attacks with weapons but those are all becoming far too commonplace.

Another key legal difference is in self defence laws. In the US, self defence is a legitimate reason to own a gun, in Australia it's not.

In a number of US states you can shoot to kill at any intruder in your home, legally. In Australia you have a reasonable force test, so if you shoot an unarmed intruder, you're one going to gaol.

The other bit was best covered by Jim Jeffries in his gun control piece. If you follow the law and legally own firearms, they need to be locked up in a gun safe with ammo locked up separately. If you get people breaking into your home, good luck asking them to wait a few minutes while you get your keys, unlock the gun safe, get out a gun, unlock the ammo safe, load the gun, then prepare to shoot.

[Wokko]

There are quick release gun safes with silent finger print scanners. Or just buy something from Dmitri down the pub and keep it wherever you want. Sure you'll cop a charge if you have to use it to defend your home, but better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6. If you never need to use it then nobody ever needs to know about it.

[stui magpie]

You want to get around laws without actually breakig them?

Legally buy a coach gun. Short barrel shotgun. Load with SG's.

Keep in gun safe during day, unloaded. In early evening take it out (when cops are not going to do random inspections), load it and put it beside bed. In morning, unload and put back in gun safe. Rinse and repeat.

Coach gun loaded with SG's will damn near cut a man in half at a 4m range.