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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:23 pm
by SwansWay
Cam wrote:He's basing his finals performances mainly on the back of him being the 6th or 7th preferred mid in 2009-10 in his second season and 2 games playing injured in 2011.
His last 4 finals games have been 27 disposals or higher. 0.5 goals per game.
His first 6 finals
2009 - QF - 69% game time 11 possessions, 2 tackles game #17
2009 - PF - 64% game time 10 poss,1 tack, game #18
2010 - QF - 71% gt, 20 poss, 0.3 score, game #40
2010 - PF - 75% gt, 16 poss, 1.1, game #41
2010 - GF1 - 66% gt, 12 poss, 3 tk, game #42
2010 - GF2 - 65% gt, 11 poss, 3 tk, game #43
2011 - QF - 76% gt, 21 poss, 6 tk, 0.2 sc, game #58
2011 - PF - 55% gt, 2 poss, 2 tk, game #59
2012 - QF - 85% gt, 28 poss, 7 tk, game #81
2012 - SF - 93% gt, 30 poss, 7 tk, game #82
2012 - PF - 87% gt, 27 poss, 1.2 sc, 4 tk, game #83
2013 - EF - 90% gt, 29 poss, 1.0, 8 tk, game #91
It might be valid if the finals record (2009-10) which P4S is mainly referring to was somewhat recent but it truly is ancient history. New team; older, more experienced Dayne; different game style -- heck the way the game is played in general has evolved since then. Then there's new rule changes. The game barely resembles itself from one year to the next much less little under a decade on.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 3:23 pm
by Funkadelic
^onya cam. thats the stat, game time %. Once he cracked over 75% game time and 60 games he performed to a pretty high standard.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:13 pm
by Pies4shaw
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:28 pm
by Pies4shaw
Thanks. I see I reached similar conclusions at that time, too. Eg:
Pies4shaw wrote:12 finals for 3 goals. He didn't kick a goal in the 2009 finals series, kicked 1 (in 4 finals) in 2010, 0 in 2011, 1 in 2012 and 1 in 2013. That's some record for a "goal-kicking" slow, outside mid.
Pies4shaw wrote:That's just special pleading. In his first season (2009), when he was a year younger than Beams was when Beams played his first final, Sidebottom helped carry Collingwood to victory in a final against Adelaide that we weren't supposed to win (25 disposals, 10 tackles, 6 inside 50s and 2 goal assists - only Heater and Swanny had more of the ball - but neither had 30 disposals). It was his 10th game for the Pies. Beams didn't even get to play that game. The following year, Sidey was one of our best 3 players over the two Grand Finals.
Similarly, Pendlebury starred and kicked a goal (playing as a genuine mid, of course) in both of his first two finals, before he'd turned 20.
Another way of looking at it is that Beams has kicked the same number of goals as Jarryd Blair in finals. Blair has played one less final and is slightly younger than Beams (so, he was - of course, younger than Beams in every single final he played).
Some people have the talent necessary to play and perform on the big stage. Some people don't. Players who repeatedly perform well below their in-season best during finals campaigns cost their teams premierships.
It's the very reason I regard Sidebottom so highly and never rated Beams.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:36 pm
by Pies4shaw
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:37 pm
by perthmagpie
Beams broke his foot leading up to the QB match in 2011. He carried the effects of that injury into the finals.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:44 pm
by Pies4shaw
Just for the record, a number of people on this forum put both feet into the journalist for this story:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-10-11/t ... ollingwood
It seems Barrett was on the money.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:48 pm
by Pies4shaw
perthmagpie wrote:Beams broke his foot leading up to the QB match in 2011. He carried the effects of that injury into the finals.
He kicked 11 goals in the 6 games leading into those finals (2, 3, 2, 1, 2, 1) and none in either final.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 4:56 pm
by K
perthmagpie wrote:Beams broke his foot leading up to the QB match in 2011. He carried the effects of that injury into the finals.
Really? I don't recall. What did the medicos do rehab-wise? How many games did he miss?
I have bad memories of players and coaches all year talking about being "cherry-ripe" for the finals... and of course, come finals, all the cherries were crushed and rotten.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:01 pm
by K
Pies4shaw wrote:...
It seems Barrett was on the money.
Well, no one doubts that on the ASADA stuff he was on the money, but he certainly wasn't on the ethics, and some source of his must have broken some law, such as that written in the ASADA Act (punishable by two years imprisonment).
And I don't know if people got stuck into him for the trade story. I know people got stuck into him for his alleged responses to questions about it.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:13 pm
by themonk
High Beamers are back
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:26 pm
by Pies4shaw
K wrote:perthmagpie wrote:Beams broke his foot leading up to the QB match in 2011. He carried the effects of that injury into the finals.
Really? I don't recall. What did the medicos do rehab-wise? How many games did he miss?
I have bad memories of players and coaches all year talking about being "cherry-ripe" for the finals... and of course, come finals, all the cherries were crushed and rotten.
K wrote:perthmagpie wrote:Beams broke his foot leading up to the QB match in 2011. He carried the effects of that injury into the finals.
Really? I don't recall. What did the medicos do rehab-wise? How many games did he miss?
I have bad memories of players and coaches all year talking about being "cherry-ripe" for the finals... and of course, come finals, all the cherries were crushed and rotten.
He missed 6 weeks (rounds 12 to 18 - but 13 was a bye) and then, as I posted above, came back and kicked 11 goals in the last 6 home and away games. As for disposals, he had 25, 32, 25, 30, 31 and 29 in those 6 games. Even excluding the prelim (he played 3 quarters of it but hardly touched the ball, so he must have played injured) he had at least 2 goals or at least 29 disposals and 1 goal in every one of those 6 last home and away games but the next week managed only 21 disposals and no goals in the QF.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:14 pm
by Cam
Funkadelic wrote:^onya cam. thats the stat, game time %. Once he cracked over 75% game time and 60 games he performed to a pretty high standard.
Exactly.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:22 pm
by Pies2016
Deja Vu wrote:Monco Matt wrote:How is a 28 year old worth two first round picks? We always pay overs. Not sure if that is worth it. If we win a flag then yes, otherwise......
Bryce Gibbs?
And funnily enough, he also went to a club that had been beaten in a G F the year before.
Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:38 pm
by K
And look at Adelaide now!
