Nick's Collingwood Bulletin Board

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DB played a very good game in the '12 semifinal against WCE.

F&$k Beams, the others were traded & had cause not to turn up to the Copeland but still did( kudos to them) this pr&&k left, was a smart arse about it. He can go & get f&&ked. As far as I know many at the club feel the same.

12 finals for 3 goals. He didn't kick a goal in the 2009 finals series, kicked 1 (in 4 finals) in 2010, 0 in 2011, 1 in 2012 and 1 in 2013. That's some record for a "goal-kicking" slow, outside mid.

Dayne Beams - Finals Games:

1. Qualifying Final 2009 v St Kilda - 11 disposals (6K, 5H), 1 mark, 2 tackles, Goals: 0.1 - (sustained a calf injury)

2. Preliminary Final 2009 v Geelong - 10 disposals (5K, 5H), 2 marks, 1 tackle, Goals: 0.0

3. Qualifying Final 2010 v Western Bulldogs - 20 disposals (11K, 9H), 3 marks, 1 tackle, Goals: 0.3

4. Preliminary Final 2010 v Geelong - 16 disposals (10K, 6H), 5 marks, 2 tackles, Goals: 1.1

5. Grand Final 2010 v St Kilda - 12 disposals (3K, 9H), 2 marks, 3 tackles, Goals: 0.0

6. Grand Final Replay 2010 v St Kilda - 11 disposals (8K, 3H), 5 marks, 3 tackles, Goals: 0.0

7. Qualifying Final 2011 v West Coast - 21 disposals (10K, 11H), 2 marks, 6 tackles, Goals: 0.2

8. Preliminary Final 2011 v Hawthorn - 2 disposals (0K, 2H), 0 marks, 2 tackles, Goals: 0.0 - (sustained groin soreness and was subbed out of the match)

9. Qualifying Final 2012 v Hawthorn - 28 disposals (15K, 13H), 4 marks, 7 tackles, Goals: 0.0

10. Semi Final 2012 v West Coast - 30 disposals (16K, 14H), 4 marks, 7 tackles, Goals: 0.0

11. Preliminary Final 2012 v Sydney - 27 disposals (12K, 15H), 3 marks, 4 tackles, Goals: 1.2

12. Elimination Final 2013 v Port Adelaide - 29 disposals (11K, 18H), 6 marks, 8 tackles, Goals: 1.0

Anything 2011 and earlier should be ignored as he was 21 years old or under and yet to peak as a player

That's just special pleading. In his first season (2009), when he was a year younger than Beams was when Beams played his first final, Sidebottom helped carry Collingwood to victory in a final against Adelaide that we weren't supposed to win (25 disposals, 10 tackles, 6 inside 50s and 2 goal assists - only Heater and Swanny had more of the ball - but neither had 30 disposals). It was his 10th game for the Pies. Beams didn't even get to play that game. The following year, Sidey was one of our best 3 players over the two Grand Finals.

Similarly, Pendlebury starred and kicked a goal (playing as a genuine mid, of course) in both of his first two finals, before he'd turned 20.

Another way of looking at it is that Beams has kicked the same number of goals as Jarryd Blair in finals. Blair has played one less final and is slightly younger than Beams (so, he was - of course, younger than Beams in every single final he played).

Some people have the talent necessary to play and perform on the big stage. Some people don't. Players who repeatedly perform well below their in-season best during finals campaigns cost their teams premierships.

It's the very reason I regard Sidebottom so highly and never rated Beams.

Pies4shaw wrote:That's just special pleading. In his first season (2009), when he was a year younger than Beams was when Beams played his first final, Sidebottom helped carry Collingwood to victory in a final against Adelaide that we weren't supposed to win (25 disposals, 10 tackles, 6 inside 50s and 2 goal assists - only Heater and Swanny had more of the ball - but neither had 30 disposals). It was his 10th game for the Pies. Beams didn't even get to play that game. The following year, Sidey was one of our best 3 players over the two Grand Finals.

Similarly, Pendlebury starred and kicked a goal (playing as a genuine mid, of course) in both of his first two finals, before he'd turned 20.

Another way of looking at it is that Beams has kicked the same number of goals as Jarryd Blair in finals. Blair has played one less final and is slightly younger than Beams (so, he was - of course, younger than Beams in every single final he played).

Some people have the talent necessary to play and perform on the big stage. Some people don't. Players who repeatedly perform well below their in-season best during finals campaigns cost their teams premierships.

It's the very reason I regard Sidebottom so highly and never rated Beams.

Players mature at different rates. Isn't Sidey the youngest of 6 siblings so his good form came early, whereas Beams is the oldest of two brothers, so he was slower to develop. At his best Beams I think is the superior player, whereas over time Sidebottom is a more endurable player. If I had to choose between the two players I choose the more endurable player, who offers the best value.

Apples and oranges?

Jezza wrote: 7. Qualifying Final 2011 v West Coast - 21 disposals (10K, 11H), 2 marks, 6 tackles, Goals: 0.2

8. Preliminary Final 2011 v Hawthorn - 2 disposals (0K, 2H), 0 marks, 2 tackles, Goals: 0.0 - (sustained groin soreness and was subbed out of the match)

Maybe if he didnt get injured... maybe....

Steele Sidebottom - Finals Games:

1. Qualifying Final 2009 v St Kilda - 12 disposals (7K, 5H), 2 marks, 3 tackles, Goals: 0.0

2. Semi Final 2009 v Adelaide - 25 disposals (14K, 11H), 7 marks, 10 tackles, Goals: 0.0

3. Preliminary Final 2009 v Geelong - 10 disposals (3K, 7H), 5 marks, 2 tackles, Goals: 0.1

4. Qualifying Final 2010 v Western Bulldogs - 20 disposals (12K, 8H), 3 marks, 3 tackles, Goals: 3.0

5. Preliminary Final 2010 v Geelong - 14 disposals (6K, 8H), 4 marks, 3 tackles, Goals: 2.1

6. Grand Final 2010 v St Kilda - 19 disposals (14K, 5H), 5 marks, 4 tackles, Goals: 0.0

7. Grand Final Replay 2010 v St Kilda - 25 disposals (16K, 9H), 6 marks, 4 tackles, Goals: 2.0

8. Qualifying Final 2011 v West Coast - 19 disposals (11K, 8H), 4 marks, 9 tackles, Goals: 0.0

9. Preliminary Final 2011 v Hawthorn - 17 disposals (11K, 6H), 4 marks, 2 tackles, Goals: 0.0

10. Grand Final 2011 v Geelong - 23 disposals (16K, 7H), 3 marks, 7 tackles, Goals: 2.1

11. Qualifying Final 2012 v Hawthorn - 30 disposals (16K, 14H), 4 marks, 2 tackles, Goals: 0.0

12. Semi Final 2012 v West Coast - 25 disposals (19K, 6H), 5 marks, 5 tackles, Goals: 0.0

13. Preliminary Final 2012 v Sydney - 16 disposals (12K, 4H), 6 marks, 7 tackles, Goals: 0.1

14. Elimination Final 2013 v Port Adelaide - 29 disposals (20K, 9H), 6 marks, 4 tackles, Goals: 0.1

RudeBoy wrote:Apples and oranges?

What?! More?!

Haven't you had enough to eat already?

I'd have him.

Another good game today.
29 years old next year and with our constant long term injuries he would be useful.

^^To keep the others company during his own long term injuries?

I think he's an ok player, but his injury problems and his style of play are not what we need at all.

If we look to add to our midfield it will be a player who can run and carry, not another slow one way mid.

^ yep, our game plan has been based on run and carry off half back and through the midfield. It is why Treloar is such a loss, as he has both great speed and endurance. Beams would make us worse.