Post Match. Pies lose to Lions. All comments, please.

[piedys]

Most of all we need a shake up in the recruiting department. I’m not confident at all in Hine’s ability to rebuild the list. We need some fresh faces in that department. But who can we get? Who is regarded as one of the better recruiters in the AFL?

You're not confident at all in Hine’s ability to rebuild the list?
He'd struggle to rebuild a LEGO set, let alone an AFL list.
There is very little to do at the upcoming ND, thanks to sins from years prior.
And Wright will be overseeing his annual idiocy, to ensure no further disasters occur. As soon as Hine's contract is up - dispose of him.

Surely all the recruiters across the 18 teams have access to the same footage and intel as the others?
From there it is a lottery pending on your ladder finish, and tanking skills.
Or just trade it all away for bags of magic beans, like our imbeciles do.

And this clown has caused major damage in the years he got it wrong, of which we are still bearing the repercussions.
He got it right in very few instances. Judkins was worse though.

[Mr Miyagi]

^ SteveH67 - since all of the statistics I mentioned are correct, I guess you're just saying my opinion is "crap". You're entitled to yours, of course - and, even better, you could try backing it up with rational argument, rather than mere abuse.

Stats mean shit.

If you had watched Sidey, he is coughing up many of those positions to opposition.

If you actually watched the game, you would have seen Sidey winning the ball but no one running past for a handball or support. But don’t let the facts change your mind.

[masoncox]

Most of all we need a shake up in the recruiting department. I’m not confident at all in Hine’s ability to rebuild the list. We need some fresh faces in that department. But who can we get? Who is regarded as one of the better recruiters in the AFL?

You're not confident at all in Hine’s ability to rebuild the list?
He'd struggle to rebuild a LEGO set, let alone an AFL list.
There is very little to do at the upcoming ND, thanks to sins from years prior.
And Wright will be overseeing his annual idiocy, to ensure no further disasters occur. As soon as Hine's contract is up - dispose of him.

Surely all the recruiters across the 18 teams have access to the same footage and intel as the others?
From there it is a lottery pending on your ladder finish, and tanking skills.
Or just trade it all away for bags of magic beans, like our imbeciles do.

And this clown has caused major damage in the years he got it wrong, of which we are still bearing the repercussions.
He got it right in very few instances. Judkins was worse though.

If you go back thru time to Nicks in 2013 to 2015.
You will see a few posters putting the blow torch on Hines.
The motto in Hines we trust did not stick

[RudeBoy]

I thought I'd wait until after Liverpool won their opening game in the EPL to put me in a better mood, before posting here.

Before the game I had posted my fear that we might fall in a heap, and sadly I was right. People can say what they like about Bucks as our coach, but we were always a hard team to beat under him. It's a long while since we copped a flogging like that. to me it was more like a 20 goal loss as the Lions definitely eased up in the last quarter.

However.....we had a host of young kids, who were unable to match the physicality of the stronger/bigger Lions. Unlike others, I was impressed by all of them. Clearly we have a couple of natural forwards in Henry and Ginnivan, who will be much better next year after solid pre-seasons. Likewise, Macrae and Bianco should also be better. Hopefully McCreery and Ruscoe will develop as well.

The negatives for me was the form of Daicos, who in truth, has been a little disappointing all year, after finally showing terrific promise last season. He obviously has the skills, but perhaps needs to learn to go in a little harder. as he is not quite quick enough to be a predominantly outside player imo. Added to that, I regularly find myself disappointed in Adams, because though he gets plenty of the ball, his decison-making and foot skills too often let him down, thus reducing his impact on the outcome of games.

Clearly our defence was under siege last night, in part, because of the Lions dominance at clearances, but also because we were fielding a second rate defence. Put back Moore, Howe and Quaynor and we would be a much, much better side.

Unlike others, I thought Sidey played another good game and definitely has at least another year in him. We will need his and Pendles experience and leadership next year, as we build a new young midfield.

So lets just see this phuckin year over asap and get some muscle on those younf skinny kids of ours over the pre-season and come back and hit 'em with everything next year. Go Pies!

[Piethagoras' Theorem]

Best to put a line through this game and file it in the 'never to be analysed' section. The end result was unsurprising. The perfect storm, as they say

[gurugeoff]

Rudeboy, agree on Adams, not polished enough. Agree on Daicos, lacks pace, so goes sideways rather than surge forward and put pressure on other side. As I said previously, I hope his brother is faster.

[piedys]

If you go back thru time to Nicks in 2013 to 2015.
You will see a few posters putting the blow torch on Hines.
The motto in Hines we trust did not stick

The doubt started to creep in around then, for sure.
He has overstayed his tenure, along with McGuire and Buckley.

He was still cashing in on selections from 2005 [Thomas/Pendles]
And 2009 which netted Fumblebottom and Beams.
These selections were critical to 2010 flag, and 2011 near miss.
To be fair, he did little wrong prior to that. Then the coaching change, and trading rot started to set in.

He fluked Grundy at 20 in 2012, when we had three consecutive picks.
The other two were effectively wasted on Broomhead and spud Kennedy.

2013 was a write-off with Scharenberg and Freeman debacle, while Cripps went to Carlton. And with it, our eventual 2018 premiership chances.

He is long out of credit, IMO.

[qldmagpie67]

[qldmagpie67]

Sidebottom had the second-most disposals (behind only Crisp), most metres gained and equal-most score involvements of any Collingwood player, last evening. Over the season, he has had the second highest number of disposals (behind only Crisp) by a Collingwood player.

Like many past players who became targets on Nick's, his effectiveness has decreased because the quality around him has steadily diminished.

If he'd had just 2 kicks and 13 handballs like Treloar did yesterday - or if he was keeping a fast, 40+ disposal midfielder out of the team, I could understand the focus - but he's actually been one of our better players over the course of a very depressing season. He was plainly one of the few last night that you would want to pick next week, if you had alternatives.

Getting it and doing something useful with it is completely different story
He fumbled constantly last night again under limited or no pressure
His kicks were hacks forward often falling into open space nowhere near a team mate
Most meters gained generally goes to a defender most weeks who clears defence but due to our defenders being totally smashed it went elsewhere
I watched live mate he run between the arcs and his direct opponent run off him all night and was dangerous
He’s way past his best
Across the season he’s so highly rated by the coaches both ours and oppositions he’s polled votes on 2 occasions for a total of 5 votes for the season
I’m willing to bet he won’t receive a brownlow vote for the entire year either
Mate time to face the fact he’s cooked and he’s part of the problem not part of the solution

[masoncox]

Sidebottom
The cooked goose

[Lazza]

Yeah think that the bottom has fallen off Sidey

[BazBoy]

Checkers with early plea can accept a one match ban for rough play

[Big T]

We are phucked for 3 years. I'm gonna enjoy watching the kids develop... with minimal expectation. We need to be very careful here as we could easily become the next Carlton and be in the wilderness for two decades.

[orie]

I don't understand why people are laying the blame,e on Buckley for this teams poor disposal..
He was an elite player with the ball in hand.
I think this club has persisted with players who have never. been great with their disposal , especially under pressure. Some players like Crispy, whom I do love , are terrible below their knees and how often does he turn the ball over in our backline!
I remember the days when if you mucked up, you were dragged on the spot and felt the wrath of the coach...
Today we accept a lot of these inadequacies ,perhaps through loyalty and maybe lack of personnel.
One example of this for me, is the fact that after sideys extraordinarily bizarre behaviour last year, he was still kept as part of the leadership group..

I also was unhappy with Grundy holding out on the club b for such a big deal..
I understand why the club did it, but I never felt comfortable with his attitude.
I imagine that players may be looking at him as a selfish person who inadvertently helped to lose a few popular players.

No One will probably read this. I am just not a happy Vegemite.. This is 2 years paid as a legends member and I am just so sad about what has happened to our club..

[Magpiefan3]

Checkers with early plea can accept a one match ban for rough play

Yet Dangerfield and Hawkins are cleared and free to play next week.