Wokko wrote:The Nazis started off with a little over 2% of the vote, were laughed off as fringe nutters. Nobody took the Bolsheviks seriously until they were dragging the Romanovs out to be shot. Nobody took the Iranian Islamic Revolution seriously until the Shah was deposed and the Ayatollahs made the place a fundamentalist shit hole.
You can live in a bubble and stick your fingers in your ears so you don't hear the screams but calling things "paranoid conspiracy" when there's evidence right in front of you is either delusional nonsense or tactical alliance with views you agree with.
Once again, paranoid fantasy. No amount of frothing makes any of your silly beliefs any less silly, although they remain extremely dangerous beliefs, despite their fundamental stupidity. There is no comparison to be made between the potential ideological force of a system of beliefs, like fascism, that could be grafted on to people’s underlying fears and hatreds and a minority view that is entirely alien and hostile to its political host.
Thus “The Jew is using the Black as muscle against you. What are you gonna do about it, Whitey?” is capable of underpinning a belief system in the US for the very reason that it aims to appeal to the majority with a call to attack minorities. Much, as it happens, as your views about Muslims in Minnesota and New York do - thus, the fact that it is conceivable that the overwhelming majority of people in New York or Minnesota might decide to “ethnically cleanse” a place of Muslims is what makes your views so dangerous and objectionable. There are too many examples of majorities acting in just that way for your views to be tolerated in a sane community. On the other hand, the chances of Minnesota or New York being “taken over” by Muslims are less than 0.
As for the Romanovs, anyone who has read War and Peace or Crime and Punishment would see that the Russian aristocracy was going to come to a sticky end. You can’t build an empire on the back of systematic subjugation of agrarian serfs and a metropolitan under class of hopeless, bereft people and expect it to end well. Such things happen, like Putin has now happened, against a backdrop. They do not happen because an ideology “sneaks up” and takes over.
I expect that there will be little point trying to debate the finer historical points of Hitler’s rise to power but, driving a truck through some very grave complexities, it is fair to say that the moderate conservative forces helped him along because they saw the fascists as the way to stop the Left. They were, of course, correct about that, as far as it went.
