Post Match. Pies pipped in Prelim. All comments please.

[RudeBoy]

Tru dat.

[Lazza]

And to all those who have mentioned injuries and how we need to improve our recovery strategies, rehabilitiation programs I absolutely concur. All teams have injuries, but year after year, ours reaches crisis proportions bordering on tipping point. And goes on for the entire year, not just one part of the year. For a club with our resources, it is so frustrating that we never seem to address this issue. I hope this is one of our priorities over summer. I am willing to sign any petition, or send any email, to demand that the club does this.

What evidence do you have that the club did not do everything in its power to address this issue? Should they recruit a faith healer, an African witch doctor or a Indian guru who can do touch healing and bingo, the player is healed??!~!

Injuries happen. Players take time to heal after any treatment. FFS, I knew a person this winter who took nine weeks to fully recover from a terrible bout of flu that had her bedridden. I think its moronic to blame the club doctors and to have a hissy fit because a few players are not ready to play.

Tell me what other stuff can the club's resources obtain? Write them down instead of a generic "the club should have done more" nonsense. Be honest and logical. They sent players overseas, they had doctors and specialists involved and physios and trainers doing their level best.

Would love to hear what more they could have logically done. I await your reply to a genuine question from me.

[RudeBoy]

Apart from De Goey and Cox, we had our best 22 on the park in the Prelim Final. Can't blame injuries for the loss.

[Lazza]

Apart from De Goey and Cox, we had our best 22 on the park in the Prelim Final. Can't blame injuries for the loss.

I would add Greenwood to that list RB.

[doriswilgus]

Langdon,Beams and Greenwood aren’t in our best 22?^

[K]

And to all those who have mentioned injuries and how we need to improve our recovery strategies, rehabilitiation programs I absolutely concur. All teams have injuries, but year after year, ours reaches crisis proportions bordering on tipping point. And goes on for the entire year, not just one part of the year. For a club with our resources, it is so frustrating that we never seem to address this issue. I hope this is one of our priorities over summer. I am willing to sign any petition, or send any email, to demand that the club does this.

What evidence do you have that the club did not do everything in its power to address this issue? ...

Injuries happen. Players take time to heal after any treatment. ... I think its moronic to blame the club doctors and to have a hissy fit because a few players are not ready to play.

Tell me what other stuff can the club's resources obtain? Write them down instead of a generic "the club should have done more" nonsense. Be honest and logical. ...

Would love to hear what more they could have logically done. I await your reply to a genuine question from me.

Well, I'll let Mttm reply separately but, Lazza, you've returned to posting only the last couple of weeks, so I don't know if you've been reading the Injury & Illness thread. If you have, the problem is hard to deny.


e.g. one random post:

"Games Lost through Injury 2013-2019

1. Collingwood 1017
2. GC 1008
3. GWS 882
4. WB 828


2013: 179 (rank 1)
2014: 118 (6)
2015: 120 (8 )
2016: 176 (1)
2017: 133 (4)
2018: 192 (2)
2019: 99 (5)"

I wouldn't call 1017 games "a few players not ready to play", but of course that list doesn't show what mediocre management (numbers 9 and 10) is. 500 games? 300 games? I reckon it's hard to be worse than GWS at injury management (they have so many stars, they don't look like they care about having half of them injured), but there you have it -- even GWS lost "only" 882 games through injury.

[Magpietothemax]

And to all those who have mentioned injuries and how we need to improve our recovery strategies, rehabilitiation programs I absolutely concur. All teams have injuries, but year after year, ours reaches crisis proportions bordering on tipping point. And goes on for the entire year, not just one part of the year. For a club with our resources, it is so frustrating that we never seem to address this issue. I hope this is one of our priorities over summer. I am willing to sign any petition, or send any email, to demand that the club does this.

What evidence do you have that the club did not do everything in its power to address this issue? Should they recruit a faith healer, an African witch doctor or a Indian guru who can do touch healing and bingo, the player is healed??!~!

Injuries happen. Players take time to heal after any treatment. FFS, I knew a person this winter who took nine weeks to fully recover from a terrible bout of flu that had her bedridden. I think its moronic to blame the club doctors and to have a hissy fit because a few players are not ready to play.

Tell me what other stuff can the club's resources obtain? Write them down instead of a generic "the club should have done more" nonsense. Be honest and logical. They sent players overseas, they had doctors and specialists involved and physios and trainers doing their level best.

Would love to hear what more they could have logically done. I await your reply to a genuine question from me.

Like all of us here on the outside, we are not privy to what is actually happening within. But all i can do is compare the performance of our rehab and recovery programs with that of other clubs. And, based on such a comparison, it seems that we do not perform as well. What other resources can be obtained? I am not a sports scientist etc, it is not up to me to explain what more could be done. All i am saying is that a club with our resources, should be able to obtain the best practice in the AFL. On the basis of the evidence that is accessible from the outside, we haven't. I could throw the challenge back to you and say: show me the evidence that our club has done everything possible to address the issue.

[Magpietothemax]

Hell, K, they are such damning stats. We are outliers, along with GC. I hate being an outlier with GC.

[Magpietothemax]

Apart from De Goey and Cox, we had our best 22 on the park in the Prelim Final. Can't blame injuries for the loss.

I would add Greenwood to that list RB.

...and Langdon....and Beams (if fit and well)

...sorry Doris...just saw that you posted exactly the same thing.

[RudeBoy]

Langdon,Beams and Greenwood aren’t in our best 22?^

Greenwood was on his last legs anyway (but was still in our best 22....just), there's no telling on the state of Langdon's future, and Beams seems unlikely to play again.

[Lazza]

And to all those who have mentioned injuries and how we need to improve our recovery strategies, rehabilitiation programs I absolutely concur. All teams have injuries, but year after year, ours reaches crisis proportions bordering on tipping point. And goes on for the entire year, not just one part of the year. For a club with our resources, it is so frustrating that we never seem to address this issue. I hope this is one of our priorities over summer. I am willing to sign any petition, or send any email, to demand that the club does this.

What evidence do you have that the club did not do everything in its power to address this issue? Should they recruit a faith healer, an African witch doctor or a Indian guru who can do touch healing and bingo, the player is healed??!~!

Injuries happen. Players take time to heal after any treatment. FFS, I knew a person this winter who took nine weeks to fully recover from a terrible bout of flu that had her bedridden. I think its moronic to blame the club doctors and to have a hissy fit because a few players are not ready to play.

Tell me what other stuff can the club's resources obtain? Write them down instead of a generic "the club should have done more" nonsense. Be honest and logical. They sent players overseas, they had doctors and specialists involved and physios and trainers doing their level best.

Would love to hear what more they could have logically done. I await your reply to a genuine question from me.

What other resources can be obtained? I am not a sports scientist etc, it is not up to me to explain what more could be done. All i am saying is that a club with our resources, should be able to obtain the best practice in the AFL. On the basis of the evidence that is accessible from the outside, we haven't. I could throw the challenge back to you and say: show me the evidence that our club has done everything possible to address the issue.

Like you I'm also not privy to what exactly happens deep inside the club. However I would find it extremely difficult and illogical to believe that they didn't try their level best to address the injuries. So to answer your question, my evidence is that we had players like Moore and Reid ready for finals and the reports that if we made the GF, JDG would have also played.

[K]

Lazza, if you regard Moore, Reid & JdG as our current injury "successes", that shows how grim things are at Pieland.

[perthmagpie]

Maybe we have too much faith in our conditioning and rehab staff thereby recruiting players with injury problems on the basis they are discounted in the trading period or draft and we grab a bargain others are passing up.

On another note after our season is over (apart from 2010 and 1990) I am flat as a tack for 2-3 days. I reminded myself today not to to make any important decisions till mid week. Unfortunately I bought a house last week and the cooling off period finishes in the middle of my Collingwood depression.

[Magpietothemax]

Langdon,Beams and Greenwood aren’t in our best 22?^

Greenwood was on his last legs anyway (but was still in our best 22....just), there's no telling on the state of Langdon's future, and Beams seems unlikely to play again.

RB, this is not a logical argument. Your contention was that injuries had no role in our defeat. The counter argument is that they did, because:
1) Langdon was unavailable due to injury (regardless of his future)
2) Greenwood was unavailable due to injury (and, as you have conceded, is in our top 22)
3) Beams was unavailable due to injury (regardless of his future).
Finally, Cox and JDG were massive outs for us, in terms of our structure and forward line dynamics.

Likewise GWS had a very significant injury list: I think their biggest out was Whitfield. But in terms of their structure, they are so deep with talent, that injury lists have a lesser impact in the scheme of things for them..than us.
I am not blaming injuries for our loss. We had a week's break, and the absence of Whitfield and Green was a clear advantage to us. However, the injury to both JDG and Greenwood in the Qualifying final surely were significant in making it hard to perform as well as we can.

I do think that the accumulation of injuries throughout this year, like so many others recently, have had a cumulative and debilitating impact on our performance.

[Lazza]

I do think that the accumulation of injuries throughout this year, like so many others recently, have had a cumulative and debilitating impact on our performance.

I'm of the firm belief that the amount of injuries, especially to top 12 players, are a reason and not an excuse for our defeats.
I think the irrational fear of blaming injuries as an excuse is a furphy because they are a genuine reason that costs us available talent for a fully fleged team