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Pies4shaw wrote:Not "racist", wpt, "troubled". It's the mental illness that kills, not the racist or the gun attached ton the racist. This is why this is a "terrible tragedy", rather than, say, "an appalling act of white supremacist aggression".
So what you are saying is ...White Supremacists suffer from an kind of mental illness? I can agree with that but isn't it time one of the chief causes of this affliction was brought to task and dealt with?
The Dayton shooter is a Trump hating leftist, why are you guys going on about white supremacists and Right wingers but ignoring the motivations of the other shooter?
Wokko wrote:The Dayton shooter is a Trump hating leftist, why are you guys going on about white supremacists and Right wingers but ignoring the motivations of the other shooter?
Well, it seems reasonable to question here whether his politics were incidental or relevant to the shooting, whereas the El Paso shooting was, to my knowledge, a politically motivated act. So that's a significant distinction.
Nonetheless, I think the ultimate problem is that you have a combination of easily available lethal weapons and a sick society that has neglected social and infrastructure funding (like, as just one example among many, affordable access to therapy) in favour of obscene defence spending, tax cuts and unrestrained capitalism. In that kind of dystopian world, you'll get alienated and mentally unwell individuals from all sectors of society committing terrible acts. America doesn't seem to be a very happy place.
"Every time we witness an injustice and do not act, we train our character to be passive in its presence." – Julian Assange
No-where in that pile of garbage by Gorka does it dispute the fact that the Left commits very few acts of politically motive killings! If the Alt Right & Radical Islam are in a race to see whom is the the most blood thirsty I say let them get on with wiping each other out and leave the rest of society alone!
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Nowhere in the garbarge the El Paso shooter posted does it suggest he's a right winger either but the media and every leftist with a social media presence is blaming Trump and the Right.
He says he wants a Universal Basic Income, Universal Health care and hates Republicans. He says views on immigration predate Trump and that the fake news media will blame Trump for it.
This of course assumes the manifesto is legit, but if we're reporting his anti immigration stuff then why not his left wing economic and enivoronmental reasons? Like Tarrant he blames immigration for environmental problems but is nothing like what I would call Right wing. Either the real definition or the weird "Nationalist/Socialist" definition of the left.
Supporting anti-immigration and radical environmentalism isn't right wing in the slightest. The libertarian right, the furthest right you can be without being an anarchist are pro immigration and the Non aggression principle is the overarching philosophy. You're equating third way fascists and national socialism with the right, as so many on the left do.
I'm not saying these idiots being confused economic leftists has anything to do with their actions, I'm saying that they're not of the right, not even close and trying to equate Trump or right wing politics with them is ridiculous. I'd say they're more disenfranchised young white men who are excluded socially and economically and are going on the attack. You have a generation of fighting age young white or mixed race men who have been attacked for who they are; white and male for as long as they've been alive and they're angry. They don't have the privilege that the left says they do, they're social outcasts and Misfits and they're lashing out at a society that's rejected them. They're dosed up on meds, have no or effeminate father figures and reach adulthood and snap.
We need to engage young men in society, stop demonizing based on sex and race and see mental health as much through the lens of social engagement as a problem to be medicated .
Maybe they are just dickheads who want to go out in a blaze of glory?
Whatever, nyone who thinks it’s acceptable to walk around a street, mall, school obviously is not the full 2 quid. The only question is how do you stop these people getting guns?
My suggestion is to get realistic and change tactics, get that girl who lost her friends in the school shoot who did that amazing speech into a short but vivid, confronting add, get the people in jail who snapped and killed a love one in a moment of madness to express their regrets while the anguish is written all over their face, andthe bloodied remains oftheir loved one flashes on the screen. Show the damage. Show the consequences. Show that it’s not just mentally ill people who choose to do this, show the sane shooter in his prison gear, with the fresh bruises from his latest beatings,
And get real about getting the fastest, baddest most lethal guns off the streets. Start there
Gun control may be a political football, but it’s not necessarily a political problem.
You cant fix stupid, turns out you cant quarantine it either!
3.14159 wrote:Since 2008, only 3% of extremist killing were committed by the left. None have been committed by Antifa.
But 74% of extremist murders were committed by the right. The other 24% were by Radical Islamists and on;y 2% by the Left.
People comparing the two are falling into a false equivalency to seem fair.
Yes, the tactic on the right is to deliberately obfuscate arrests for terror with right wing racist males have access to guns & who have been enabled by climate of Trump. Trump has not caused these murderers to do it but his language and intemperate behavior contributes to this.
Even Wokko’s article refers to the ADL as left wing. Left wingers would be quite alarmed. Not everyone left of Attila the Hun are left wingers.
“I even went as far as becoming a Southern Baptist until I realised they didn’t keep ‘em under long enough” Kinky Friedman
^ The only tactic the extreme right seems to have left (no pun intended) to it is to pretend that everyone who does something bad is not "really" of the extreme right at all. It's pathetic sophistry.
Someone who wants socialised medicine and universal basic income but happens to be anti-immigration is not and never will be of the right, let alone 'far' right. Trying to equate the race of shooters with political ideology is racist nonsense.
