ASADA & the AFL acted lawfully: Hird & Essendon lose

Warbler · Post by **Warbler** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:07 am

I sincerely hope that Hird doesn't resign -

I want him to suffer the shame of being sacked .

Then I want the players to sue him .

Then I want him & his feral wife to crawl back under whatever rock in NSW or ACT that he came from , & never be hird of again .

GO PIES

Warbler · Post by **Warbler** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 6:07 am

I sincerely hope that Hird doesn't resign -

I want him to suffer the shame of being sacked .

Then I want the players to sue him .

Then I want him & his feral wife to crawl back under whatever rock in NSW or ACT that he came from , & never be hird of again .

GO PIES

neds elbow · Post by **neds elbow** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:54 am

Going to be a bit awkward if Heppel wins the Brownlow on Monday night?

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:10 am

Warbler wrote:I sincerely hope that Hird doesn't resign -

I want him to suffer the shame of being sacked .

Then I want the players to sue him .

Then I want him & his feral wife to crawl back under whatever rock in NSW or ACT that he came from , & never be hird of again .

GO PIES

Golden boys off to the states this morning on another business junket funded by Essendon members.

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:13 am

neds elbow wrote:Going to be a bit awkward if Heppel wins the Brownlow on Monday night?

Once the Essendon players get done , I think they should have an official ceremonial 'take back' for Jobe Watson. Where the runner up of that year (was it cotchin) gets to take it from around his neck at a gala dinner

neil · Post by **neil** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 10:54 am

Damien wrote:
Nobody blames the players. Everyone feels that they just did what they were told and after all most of them are kids. And that doesn't change if they plead guilty in my view.

I blame the players they had access to the annual anti droping lectures, internet, ASADA, their own managers, the AFL hotline and AFLPA and instead chose not to involve any of them.

The high level we hold 14 year old Chinese Olympic swimmers to should be the level we hold adult males in professional sport to.

Greening gold · Post by **Greening gold** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 12:53 pm

watt price tully · Post by **watt price tully** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:14 pm

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 3:24 pm

neil wrote:
Damien wrote:
Nobody blames the players. Everyone feels that they just did what they were told and after all most of them are kids. And that doesn't change if they plead guilty in my view.
I blame the players they had access to the annual anti droping lectures, internet, ASADA, their own managers, the AFL hotline and AFLPA and instead chose not to involve any of them.

The high level we hold 14 year old Chinese Olympic swimmers to should be the level we hold adult males in professional sport to.

I think you're being harsh there Neil.

The Chinese swimmers were victims too, they would have had little choice to sign up to what was an established system of drug cheating. The only way to punish the system was remove their swimmers.

Many of the Essendon players were there already just doing their best to play footy when Hird decided to go down the pharmacological experiment route.

I'm not suggesting they don't get punished. What I'm saying is that History won't judge them as drug cheats when they were just guinea pigs.

History will judge Hird and Dank as the villains. Bomber Thompson to a lesser degree although it seems clear he made 'some' effort to pull this thing up.

I don't know anyone who thinks the players willingly went out to cheat. Hird went out to push the envelope to the limit and will now pay the ultimate price.

Post by **Jezza** » Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:04 pm

Pies4shaw wrote:That ain't no summary, Jezza. That's all 500 paragraphs of the reasons for decision. The judge only read excerpts in Court today.

Yes wrong choice of words mate!

Nevertheless it's interesting skim reading the full report of this case and what Justice Middleton held.

uncanny · Post by **uncanny** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:01 am

so the little herd didn't find their way to a liesome home...

Graham Smith:a partner with Clayton Utz and a leading industrial relations and employment law specialist,

"The decision is a complete vindication of the actions taken by ASADA. It is a comprehensive and closely reasoned decision that is unlikely to be overturned on appeal, in my view

"Indeed, the task of an appellant to overturn a judgment cannot be overstated. It is very hard. There must generally be a clear error of law for an appeal court to find that one of their colleagues was mistaken in approach."

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/b ... z3DrrIJNGB

uncanny · Post by **uncanny** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:04 am

so hit them hard now when you have the chance to say something about the culture of drugs in sport afl

swoop42 · Post by **swoop42** » Sun Sep 21, 2014 1:35 am

Geek · Post by **Geek** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:23 pm

Damien wrote:
neds elbow wrote:Going to be a bit awkward if Heppel wins the Brownlow on Monday night?
Once the Essendon players get done , I think they should have an official ceremonial 'take back' for Jobe Watson. Where the runner up of that year (was it cotchin) gets to take it from around his neck at a gala dinner

... only for Caff to get in there first to keep Cotchin at bay and having a big old sook, while Pendles swoops in to take it away

Damien · Post by **Damien** » Mon Sep 22, 2014 5:35 pm

I see Vlad gave Golden Boy a nice little whack today on AFL.com. He must be sitting back on his big fat Greek arse laughing now in Essendon and particularly Hird's demise. Hahahahaha.

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ASADA & the AFL acted lawfully: Hird & Essendon lose